<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344</id><updated>2011-09-21T14:46:10.247-07:00</updated><category term='Abram covenant'/><title type='text'>Bible Surfing</title><subtitle type='html'>Contemplating Scripture</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>46</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-4720798589910760288</id><published>2011-09-21T14:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T14:46:10.253-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Best of Intentions ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tKbgO3OkXxE/Tnpa-eF3SNI/AAAAAAAAD4w/bBADWtdvV58/s1600/HolySpirit.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="185" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tKbgO3OkXxE/Tnpa-eF3SNI/AAAAAAAAD4w/bBADWtdvV58/s200/HolySpirit.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;This is a blog that is near and dear to my heart, but it is also one which I have been neglecting.  I'd like to find time to come back to it often in a contemplative manner and share the thoughts that the good Lord causes in me when I am reading and trying to appreciate scripture and other religious and spiritual writings.  But my life seems always too full of competing forces and challenges and requirements and obligations so that I rarely get a chance to come and find the inner peace that one needs to do justice to such a goal.  I'll try to do better, but I can't promise anything.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-4720798589910760288?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/4720798589910760288/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=4720798589910760288' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4720798589910760288'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4720798589910760288'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/09/best-of-intentions.html' title='The Best of Intentions ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tKbgO3OkXxE/Tnpa-eF3SNI/AAAAAAAAD4w/bBADWtdvV58/s72-c/HolySpirit.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-4429449395806827202</id><published>2011-09-21T14:37:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T14:41:06.751-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Saint In Progress?</title><content type='html'>&lt;embed allowfullscreen="true" bgcolor="#ffffff" flashvars="v=http://www.necn.com/common/thePlatform/PDK/CSN/necn/vars.txt&amp;amp;releaseURL=http://link.theplatform.com/s/-/zTDiM0BL78kZ8h8DN5XNXOz8w6_9ND8P?MBR=true&amp;amp;zone=new_england&amp;amp;playerURL=http://www.necn.com/pages/video?PID=zTDiM0BL78kZ8h8DN5XNXOz8w6_9ND8P&amp;amp;embeddedPlayerHTML=%3CEMBED+SRC%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.necn.com%2Fcommon%2FthePlatform%2Fweb%2Fswf%2FflvPlayer.swf%22+flashvars%3D%22v%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.necn.com%2Fcommon%2FthePlatform%2FPDK%2FCSN%2Fnecn%2Fvars.txt%26releaseURL%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Flink.theplatform.com%2Fs%2F-%2F%7BreleasePID%7D%3FMBR%3Dtrue%26zone%3Dnew_england%26playerURL%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.necn.com%2Fpages%2Fvideo%3FPID%3D%7BreleasePID%7D%22+height%3D%22360%22+width%3D%22633%22+type%3D%22application%2Fx-shockwave-flash%22+allowFullScreen%3D%22true%22+bgcolor%3D%22%23ffffff%22%3E%3C%2FEMBED%3E" height="242" src="http://www.necn.com/common/thePlatform/web/swf/flvPlayer.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt; The process of canonization practiced by the Catholic Church is a process which confuses a lot of people.  The Catholic Church does not create saints.  God creates saints through the cooperation of the saintly and the grace God give that empowers them.  What the Catholic Church does is test claims that certain people led extraordinary live of sanctity and the tests are rigorous and difficult and if upon investigation a person passes all the hurdles the Church declare them worth of veneration in a multistep process.  The Church does not create saints because only God can do that.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-4429449395806827202?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/4429449395806827202/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=4429449395806827202' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4429449395806827202'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4429449395806827202'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/09/saint-in-progress.html' title='A Saint In Progress?'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-57081700399998174</id><published>2011-07-08T21:01:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-08T21:06:09.049-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Moving On</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/m9HEIvVBZK0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt; Fr. Corapi makes a video statement.  It is unclear what has been going on.  All the free advice from all the folks who are clueless about what is going on and are making gratuitous guesses are not helping the situation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What it comes down to is charges by an unnamed person or persons against Corapi.  The charges themselves are unclear and mostly seem rather doubtful.  Corapi has denied any impropriety but he's not been too clear about what he is denying.  So there is a huge amount of uncertainty and vagueness.  Unless you know more not only about the charges but about the relative integrity of the players, it just isn't clear who's at fault and why.  I'm decidedly on the fence but I think people who are giving Corapi the benefit of their free advice are mostly not helpful.  The analogies they are making are suspect and the judgments they are making are uninformed.  Under those circumstances they are more part of the problem than part of the solution.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-57081700399998174?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/57081700399998174/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=57081700399998174' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/57081700399998174'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/57081700399998174'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/07/moving-on.html' title='Moving On'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/m9HEIvVBZK0/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-6053679360477971765</id><published>2011-07-02T15:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-02T15:54:37.455-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Problem In A Nutshell</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/29-HCXpU1es" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt; The failure of the church to teach clearly and unambiguously is not only a tragedy, it is a sin which the bishops and priests will have to answer for.  Looking around the wreckage that is the Catholic Church compared to what it was when I was a boy is enough to make me cry.  I like Fr. Corapi's dichotomy of all the people into Sheep, Sheepdogs, and Wolves.  The problem we have is that those who should be Sheepdogs are too often Wolves or Sheep.  We could certainly use some Sheepdogs.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-6053679360477971765?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/6053679360477971765/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=6053679360477971765' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6053679360477971765'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6053679360477971765'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/07/problem-in-nutshell.html' title='The Problem In A Nutshell'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/29-HCXpU1es/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-4580854932850120237</id><published>2011-07-02T12:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-02T12:31:16.112-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Capsule History of the Shroud of Turin</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JNF0vZx0pVw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-4580854932850120237?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/4580854932850120237/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=4580854932850120237' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4580854932850120237'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4580854932850120237'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/07/capsule-history-of-shroud-of-turin.html' title='A Capsule History of the Shroud of Turin'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/JNF0vZx0pVw/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-78797448047582323</id><published>2011-06-25T19:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-06-25T19:46:18.796-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Eucharistic Flash Mob</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="425" height="265" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/cZ5aYoSr3Hg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt; The breaking out into the secular world of the sacred.  Notice the worldlings and their reactions.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-78797448047582323?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/78797448047582323/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=78797448047582323' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/78797448047582323'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/78797448047582323'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/06/eucharistic-flash-mob.html' title='Eucharistic Flash Mob'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/cZ5aYoSr3Hg/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-3532832478382531803</id><published>2011-06-24T09:51:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2011-06-24T09:52:26.284-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The John Corapi Situation ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VZNUKpWfhoc" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="349" width="425"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt; Fr. John Corapi has been accused of something or other and it's causing quite a furor.  This video is one of the posts on his blog site asking Fr. Corapi to stand tall.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-3532832478382531803?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/3532832478382531803/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=3532832478382531803' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3532832478382531803'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3532832478382531803'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/06/john-corapi-situation.html' title='The John Corapi Situation ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/VZNUKpWfhoc/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-4233254004279830707</id><published>2011-05-30T17:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-05-30T17:59:04.587-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Visiting and Wishing</title><content type='html'>The previous post just popped up as I was researching something else so I added it to my BibleSurfing blog here.  But just the act made me feel a little regretful that I've not been keep up this blog.  I didn't want to continue just going through the bible and yet I'm not even out of Genesis.  So what to do?  I would like it to be scripture based and the Old Testament is where I want to begin so in so far as I was doing that I'm happy enough with it.  Still it would be nice to go off on tangents and asides and speak of other things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right now I'm reading a book titled "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Spirituality-Imperfection-Storytelling-Search-Meaning/dp/0553371320/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top"&gt;The Spirituality of Imperfection&lt;/a&gt;" — it's focused on spirituality through story and takes a viewpoint inspired by the Alcoholics Anonymous's 12 step program.  It mingles short parable like stories from many traditions.  Worth a look.  I'll try to come back to this more often.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-4233254004279830707?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/4233254004279830707/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=4233254004279830707' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4233254004279830707'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4233254004279830707'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/05/visiting-and-wishing.html' title='Visiting and Wishing'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-6938806420817242481</id><published>2011-05-30T17:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-05-30T17:40:51.517-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Ancient Channels In Jerusalem</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_Zu4eMi_aVA" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="349" width="425"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt; Some things are really fascinating and none so much as the archeology of the Holy Land.  &lt;a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-you-know-jerusalem-had-an-underground-city-see-for-yourself/"&gt;MORE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-6938806420817242481?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/6938806420817242481/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=6938806420817242481' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6938806420817242481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6938806420817242481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2011/05/ancient-channels-in-jerusalem.html' title='Ancient Channels In Jerusalem'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/_Zu4eMi_aVA/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7503053768333993819</id><published>2010-08-11T09:54:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-11T10:04:36.747-07:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="425" height="340"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QI_0nh7Tg10&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QI_0nh7Tg10&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="340"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt; This is an account of the apparition of the Virgin Mary in Egypt over the course of 4 years.  It was investigated by John Jackson, a prominent researcher on the Shroud of Turin which I also investigate, although from a different perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is it?  Like Fatima this was an apparition seen by thousands.  I have not studied it much.  The pictures almost look like a shaped plasma, ball lightening in the shape of the traditional images of the Virgin Mary.  There is a web site &lt;a href="http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;  I've not studied it so I don't know how objective the material is, but this truly is an amazing apparition recorded by many both visually and with cameras.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7503053768333993819?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7503053768333993819/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7503053768333993819' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7503053768333993819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7503053768333993819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/08/this-is-account-of-apparition-of-virgin.html' title=''/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1546324556045425049</id><published>2010-08-11T08:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-11T08:34:08.279-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Charity Is Not Always Being Nice</title><content type='html'>&lt;object height="340" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/V-wuvnhclCQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/V-wuvnhclCQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="340" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt; The difference between Charity and being "nice."  The truth needs to be proclaimed and defended for its own sake.  "Give up your filthy lifestyle Michael before you die and go to hell," said his mom.  That's real Charity!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1546324556045425049?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1546324556045425049/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1546324556045425049' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1546324556045425049'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1546324556045425049'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/08/charity-is-not-always-being-nice.html' title='Charity Is Not Always Being Nice'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1832035502637184853</id><published>2010-08-04T09:29:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-04T15:14:11.706-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Shroud Short and the Shroud Scope</title><content type='html'>&lt;object height="256" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8wruVeZDs6E&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8wruVeZDs6E&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" height="256" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;Mario Latendresse has developed a new visualization of the shroud called Shroud Scope which can be seen at his web site &lt;a href="http://www.sindonology.org/"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;  The images he has are the most detailed available on the internet.  The video above is one he took of a short introductory video shown to pilgrims who had come to Turin to see the Shroud Exposition.  He took it in May 2010.  While we're on the shroud, &lt;a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/audio/12766/blood_on_the_shroud.html?cat=37"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; is an audio of Dr. Alan Adler discussing his work which confirmed that the blood markings on the shroud are really blood.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1832035502637184853?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1832035502637184853/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1832035502637184853' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1832035502637184853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1832035502637184853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/08/shroud-short-and-shroud-scope.html' title='Shroud Short and the Shroud Scope'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-3754498821751180009</id><published>2010-08-04T08:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-04T08:18:41.663-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Culture Destroying Itself</title><content type='html'>&lt;object style="background-image: url(&amp;quot;http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/7VWrVybAasA/hqdefault.jpg&amp;quot;);" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7VWrVybAasA&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7VWrVybAasA&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1" allowscriptaccess="never" allowfullscreen="true" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt; I like Michael Voris.  He calls'em like he sees'em and you can't ask much more of a man than that except perhaps to make sure that before he calls'em he's got his head screwed on straight and Michael Voris seems to me to make that hurdle.  If you're not a Catholic you'll take some exception with some aspects of his observations, but it's hard not to see the dissolution that is inherent in the moral decadence and increasing degradation of our society today.  It's tragic particularly that so many seem quite happy to sail on ... apparently oblivious to the signs of the times.  Perhaps the Jews did the same as the hour of their destruction approached.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I couldn't help thinking as he cited the words of Jesus lamenting over Jerusalem Luke 19:41-44 that our modern biblical scholars would merely interpret this as a sign that the gospel of Luke was written after 70 A.D. but the warning is for all time not just to those who live in the district of Jerusalem.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-3754498821751180009?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/3754498821751180009/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=3754498821751180009' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3754498821751180009'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3754498821751180009'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/08/culture-destroying-itself.html' title='A Culture Destroying Itself'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-5404565244286736458</id><published>2010-08-02T10:49:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-02T11:48:43.391-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Novus Ordo ... CIA Investigates</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.realcatholictv.com/cia/03Massdest/"&gt;SEE HERE&lt;/a&gt; Michael Voris, who has developed his own ministry at RealCatholic.com here presents his second CIA (Catholic Investigative Report) exploring the development of the Novus Ordo litergy and its impact on the Catholic Church.  If you're not a Catholic this might not hold much interest for you.  If you are a Catholic it will likely contain many surprises.  The impact of this huge change on the clergy and nuns is simply amazing.  It was like a bomb going off in the church blowing away vocations. &lt;a href="http://www.realcatholictv.com/cia/03Massdest/index.php?pt=2"&gt;CLICK HERE&lt;/a&gt; for Part 2.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-5404565244286736458?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/5404565244286736458/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=5404565244286736458' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/5404565244286736458'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/5404565244286736458'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/08/novus-ordo-cia-investigates.html' title='The Novus Ordo ... CIA Investigates'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-2899095800160208348</id><published>2010-07-31T13:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-31T15:19:17.450-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Abraham Pleds for Sodom and Gomorrah</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TFSPPoD0DfI/AAAAAAAACD8/f-AUjA297B8/s1600/rainOfFire.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 212px; height: 159px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TFSPPoD0DfI/AAAAAAAACD8/f-AUjA297B8/s400/rainOfFire.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5500178543540440562" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Genesis 18:20-32 is the story of Abraham negotiating with the Lord to spare the cities if there are 50, 40, 30, 20 or just 10 righteous to be found in the city.  Now I'm not sure why it says "city" since it sounds as if Sodom and Gomorrah are two places.  Time to ask &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah"&gt;google&lt;/a&gt; I guess.  After browsing a bit I'm not sure that Gomorrah features too strongly.  So for now let's just ask what was demonstrated by the text?  It was one of the readings in mass I think just last week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously two points are being made.  The first is that even Abraham thinks there is a lot amiss in Sodom, for his first figure is 50 righteous.  We don't know how big a place Sodom was.  This doesn't sound like a very large percentage of the population though.  So Abraham doesn't think much of this bunch.  The Lord says He'll spare the city if 50 righteous can be found.  Then Abraham proceeds to negotiate Him down.  Abraham had to feel pretty comfortable with God to just start this kind of a conversation.  The Lord is demonstrating both that He is a friend of Abraham, after all He's made these generous promises to him, and that He is merciful.  Of course we will find soon enough that there are not even ten righteous men in Sodom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chapter 19 tells the story of Lot and the events that overtook the angels when they reached Sodom.  There are a number of very bizarre features to the story, not the least the willingness of Lot to give his daughters to the crowd.  What is that all about?  The refusal of the crowd suggests that they wanted to sexually abuse men not women, hence no doubt the fact that this event has generally been seen as a condemnation of sodomy.  Certainly it seems much more than mere lack of hospitality.  The story ends with an even more bizarre event which is Lot's daughters getting him drunk so they can have their will with him and preserve the family line.  These must have been really ugly daughters or the area must have really been short of men, at least men that would be acceptable suitors.  So what is this all about?  The video below shows you what the site of Sodom and Gomorrah looks like today.  I wondered as I watched it if anyone was allowed to actually cut into the ash and see if the apparent city walls and such were really in there.  Fascinating question.  &lt;a href="http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48931527.html"&gt;SEE THIS ACCOUNT&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="340" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lgQHQ992Wnw&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lgQHQ992Wnw&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="340" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-2899095800160208348?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/2899095800160208348/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=2899095800160208348' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/2899095800160208348'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/2899095800160208348'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/07/abraham-pleds-for-sodom-and-gomorrah.html' title='Abraham Pleds for Sodom and Gomorrah'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TFSPPoD0DfI/AAAAAAAACD8/f-AUjA297B8/s72-c/rainOfFire.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-6642053457535815586</id><published>2010-07-31T13:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-31T13:39:07.514-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Meandering</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TFSJ4orSnVI/AAAAAAAACD0/9V6LcZXuWbo/s1600/Crowded-Freeway.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 275px; height: 206px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TFSJ4orSnVI/AAAAAAAACD0/9V6LcZXuWbo/s400/Crowded-Freeway.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5500172651010891090" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Saturday, the Sabboth ... has come and I've been thinking about what I want to do with the Bible Surfing blog.  I really like thinking about religious themes and reading the scripture.  I'm not all that sure what my beliefs about the scripture are and I think I talked about that some time back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm in a men's bible group and we meet once a week, although I often can't make it since I have conflicts on Thursday nights fairly often.  Each of the men uses one or more translations of their choice and that's at least part of the fun of it.  We're always getting into something like: "Read your verse twelve again!  I can't believe it.  It says almost the exact opposite of my verse 12."  We're reading proverbs right now.  Other times it's just an argument over adjectives or the emphasis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Things like that make me a little reluctant to imagine that the bible, at least in translation, is the word for word literal word of God.  Sorry, too many problems with that.  This doesn't mean that the original documents were not Divine Revelation, although I think a rigid dictation theory is ridiculous too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;C.S. Lewis makes the point about John 7:17 &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26335"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt;If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.  — Lewis takes this as meaning that true understanding of God's teaching requires an obedient heart before all else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it is important to read scripture broadly too and not merely expect to understand the meaning by proof texting.  Every scrap of scripture occurs in a context and understanding demands not only understanding the text but understanding the context in which it was written and delivered.  Failing that we are likely to generalize from specific guidance and vice versa.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been thinking that maybe I'll just start putting up reflections possibly on the scriptures the men's bible group are reading or perhaps what spiritual books the spiritual book club is reading.  I'll probably go back and do a little more Genesis too.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-6642053457535815586?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/6642053457535815586/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=6642053457535815586' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6642053457535815586'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6642053457535815586'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/07/meandering.html' title='Meandering'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TFSJ4orSnVI/AAAAAAAACD0/9V6LcZXuWbo/s72-c/Crowded-Freeway.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-2439025881951945563</id><published>2010-07-21T19:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-21T20:05:27.036-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Stopping By ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060777508/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=0060669667&amp;amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=17SHYA1M6P76KS2CCMAN"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 236px; height: 295px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TEe1UDdUbBI/AAAAAAAAB-E/ztY3-9iiCs8/s400/DevotionalClassics.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5496561226359270418" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It will soon be a year since I've added anything to BibleSurfing and I actually feel rather regretful about that.  When I started I didn't have any particular plan of action or anything, just the thought that I was interested in a ramble through scripture so I started at the beginning.  I didn't really have any intention of moving linearly through the bible, although that was pretty much what I did at the beginning.  I'm going to try to turn over a new leaf and get back to at least some regular contributions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm a member of a little spiritual book club at church.  There are just a few of us.  We pick some spiritual book to read each month.  Sometimes we take a few months to go through a book.  Since I'm a member of three book clubs, that one, one on C.S. Lewis and another on G.K. Chesterton, I'm always reading a few books.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I'll try to figure out a pattern of meditation to use as my rule for working on this blog.  I'll share that as I figure it out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book we are working through right now is a good one.  It's called "Devotional Classics" and you can see it at Amazon &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060777508/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=0060669667&amp;amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=17SHYA1M6P76KS2CCMAN"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; So far we're only in the second section.  It has 52 weeks of readings with discussion questions which can be used for personal reflection and meditation.  It's ecumenical so there are readings from all sorts of Christian sources.  Worth a look if you're looking for a book for a spiritual book club.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-2439025881951945563?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/2439025881951945563/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=2439025881951945563' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/2439025881951945563'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/2439025881951945563'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2010/07/stopping-by.html' title='Stopping By ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/TEe1UDdUbBI/AAAAAAAAB-E/ztY3-9iiCs8/s72-c/DevotionalClassics.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-4566900446253835056</id><published>2009-08-23T10:15:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-23T11:24:40.944-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Promise and Who Will Be Spared?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rVqLX-D4BmM/SjidUxyv6II/AAAAAAAAAQY/WWOq5z312_A/s320/Oak_of_Mamre_circa_1900_colored_photo.jpeg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rVqLX-D4BmM/SjidUxyv6II/AAAAAAAAAQY/WWOq5z312_A/s320/Oak_of_Mamre_circa_1900_colored_photo.jpeg.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It has been some time since I updated the Bible Surfing blog.  I view it as an opportunity to contemplate the scripture and think and reason about it.  But in my own journey I've had a few surges in the rapids to negotiate.  I had surgery for prostate cancer in June.  I call it the "attack of the robots" because it was robotic surgery and as a techie I thought that was pretty neat.  Then with all the confusion and chaos in the political arena (see my &lt;a href="http://politicalbrambles.blogspot.com/"&gt;POLITICAL BLOG)&lt;/a&gt; I've been rather distracted.&lt;br /&gt;Returning to Abraham I find Chapter 18 a little bit confusing.  Let's see why.  In verses 1 through 6 we find the encounter Abraham has with the Lord near the great trees of Mamre.  The questions that pop into my head are: 1) How does Abraham so easily recognize the Lord?, and 2) &lt;a href="http://treeofmamre.blogspot.com/2009/06/tree-of-mamre.html"&gt;What are the "great trees of Mamre"?&lt;/a&gt;  I can't really answer the first question.  The passage says (verse 2) "Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby." and it isn't quite clear if this is the Lord and two men or a separate event of three men just after the Lord has appeared to Abraham.  I suppose it could be either.  The passage doesn't make it at all clear which.  The number three of course, due to later associations, puts me in mind of the Trinity.  So are these three all manifestations of the Lord, or are they the Lord and two angels, or is the Lord separate and there are three men or angels associated with the Lord.  Since this passage is contiguous with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah we will see more of these "men."&lt;br /&gt;In wondering about the significance of the "trees of Mamre" I did some googling around which is my wont.  I am not a deep researcher when I'm thinking about these things.  I'm not a biblical scholar.  I'm a techie geek scientist who loves writing and poetry and metaphor but not literature research so much.  But I did stumble upon &lt;a href="http://treeofmamre.blogspot.com/2009/06/tree-of-mamre.html"&gt;this reflection on the tree of Mamre&lt;/a&gt; which I think worth reading.  It isn't clear why the trees of Mamre are mentioned except perhaps as a land mark.  As I read various posts I found that the tree believed to be related at least as a descendant of the tree of Mamre was an oak that is now dead that is itself only some 300 years (&lt;a href="http://orthodoxwiki.org/Oak_of_Mamre"&gt;another site says it is over 5000 years old&lt;/a&gt;)  old and so not, of course, the original tree of Mamre.  Perhaps it is just that trees are rare in the desert that made it a landmark.  There seems to also be traditions linked to the tree: "A long-standing tradition is that the &lt;i&gt;Oak of Abraham&lt;/i&gt; will die before the appearance of the Anti-Christ. The oak has been dead since 1996."  So there are confusing elements of story about the symbol of the tree.&lt;br /&gt;Verse three tends to make me more comfortable with the idea that there may be a Trinitarian link here — but one has to be careful with translations.  Still notice that Abraham extends hospitality of water to wash their feet and rest and goes (verse 6) to have Sarah bake bread and then has a servant kill a choice tender calf.  So we have some rather extravagant hospitality and to the request that the Lord stay, the verse says "they (i.e. collectively) answered" which I suppose is a small point, but tends to support the idea that "Lord" is being applied collectively.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;The Promise&lt;/h2&gt;Then they ask after Sarah who is in the tent.  There is the prophecy that Sarah will have a son.  Sarah overhears this and laughs since she and Abraham are old.  Despite her age she refers to having a child as a pleasure.  I liked that since it is so at odds with our current culture of death which sees children only as burdens and something to be limited or avoided.  Finally Sarah laughs at the thought and there is here a somewhat peculiar exchange.  The Lord asks why Sarah laughed and Sarah is afraid and lies, saying "I did not laugh" and the Lord corrects her.  It's a little detail and a slightly odd one.  One might reasonably ask I think, "Why was Sarah afraid?"  I don't know the answer.  Perhaps it was wrong to correct strangers in her culture.  Perhaps she too recognized the Lord and was in awe and concerned that her laugh would be miscontrued.  Just a little detail: "Sarah laughed."  And of course the prophecy was fulfilled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Abraham negotiates&lt;/h2&gt;Then comes one of the more interesting passages in scripture when Abraham negotiates with God for the survival of Sodom and Gomorrah.  The crux of the matter is whether the righteous should suffer for the sins of the rest?  It is a matter of justice.  Abraham takes the part of a defense attorney pleading for the rights of the righteous not to suffer the same fate as the guilty.  He negotiates from fifty righteous down to ten righteous before the Lord goes on.  Each time the Lord promises to spare the cities for the sake of the righteous even if there are only ten.  The towering lesson here is that the wicked are spared punishment for the sake of the righteous.  If there are no righteous men, perhaps all will be destroyed.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-4566900446253835056?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/4566900446253835056/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=4566900446253835056' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4566900446253835056'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/4566900446253835056'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/08/promise-and-who-will-be-spared.html' title='The Promise and Who Will Be Spared?'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rVqLX-D4BmM/SjidUxyv6II/AAAAAAAAAQY/WWOq5z312_A/s72-c/Oak_of_Mamre_circa_1900_colored_photo.jpeg.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-9197941080855548059</id><published>2009-06-07T20:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-07T20:39:29.688-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Thoughts: Revelation as a Conversation with God</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SiyGpDleDsI/AAAAAAAAAjo/bjF0QZ-IqZ4/s1600-h/FlameNebula.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 204px; height: 206px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SiyGpDleDsI/AAAAAAAAAjo/bjF0QZ-IqZ4/s200/FlameNebula.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5344794897677160130" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I have been traveling through Genesis slowly.  This work is a process of slow and continuing reflection on each passage.  I don't have any grand design except to try to understand without any preconceptions.  For that reason I'm not drawing on many outside resources or even trying particularly to be authoritative or to appeal to authority beyond common sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My general presumption is that with which anyone might approach a sacred book, that of respect and a spirit of acceptance.  I don't have a settled theory of revelation beyond what might be called a conversational theory.  Such a theory presumes that there is a God and that He is capable of communicating with man, but does so rather as another might communicate,  conversationally, but with some capacity to communicate power and grandeur so that His communications are accepted as what they are, authoritative from a divine being.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In such a communication God would find those He converses with limited by their own understandings.  God doesn't turn a man or woman from a man or woman of their time to a man or woman of another time.  Their cosmology and general understanding of the universe is a given.  Any communication has to work in that context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we, who come so much later, are to understand revelation in this way, we have to first understand the likely mind of the people to whom God is communicating.  They appear to be nomadic tribespeople.  They live in a polytheistic world filled with a sense that spirits are in all living things.  The lifeforce is literally in the blood of living things.  We have to tread with light feet and try to suspend our own judgments which are themselves rooted in a lived reality so very different.  Whenever we encounter something that seems a little strange, we probably should inquire about what it might have meant to people who lived so long ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is also important to remember that we read in translation.  This too means that a lens of interpretation, that of the translator, separates us from the original writers who may themselves have been redacted.  Little is certain except that a great gulf of years and cultural shifts and sensibilities separate us from the original conversation.  Such is my understanding of revelation assumed here as a background as we contemplate continuing through Genesis.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-9197941080855548059?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/9197941080855548059/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=9197941080855548059' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/9197941080855548059'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/9197941080855548059'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/06/thoughts-revelation-as-conversation.html' title='Thoughts: Revelation as a Conversation with God'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SiyGpDleDsI/AAAAAAAAAjo/bjF0QZ-IqZ4/s72-c/FlameNebula.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1101937271134546207</id><published>2009-05-16T09:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-05-16T11:14:47.568-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Abram covenant'/><title type='text'>Covenant of the Circumcision</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ClQwrI_3xAQ/R3FLTOSzn6I/AAAAAAAAACk/bfW0Kvpionc/s320/Picture+clipping+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 247px; height: 182px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ClQwrI_3xAQ/R3FLTOSzn6I/AAAAAAAAACk/bfW0Kvpionc/s320/Picture+clipping+2.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Chapter 17 continues with the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Covenant of the Circumcision&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the New Covenant of Christianity we will see a new sign of the covenant which replaces circumcision, the sign of Baptism.  This sign of the covenant and this action of sealing the covenant is no less significant in Christianity.  Notice that Abram, now Abraham, is instructed to circumcise all those born in his household.  Later when we see entire households entering into Christianity we have to see this in the light of the new circumcision.  The early Church found this significance of Baptism as the new circumcision to be the warrant for infant baptism.&lt;br /&gt;The point is that the covenant is not the culmination of an intellectual argument of assent, but a commitment of faithful servitude as servants and as Mary says "handmaidens" of the Lord.  We are instructed to follow and be part of a saved people, a household of the Lord.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1101937271134546207?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1101937271134546207/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1101937271134546207' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1101937271134546207'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1101937271134546207'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/05/covenant-of-circumcision.html' title='Covenant of the Circumcision'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ClQwrI_3xAQ/R3FLTOSzn6I/AAAAAAAAACk/bfW0Kvpionc/s72-c/Picture+clipping+2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-603533934286255876</id><published>2009-05-16T09:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-05-16T09:14:59.831-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Covenant (continued)</title><content type='html'>I was reflecting on Genesis 15:12-21&lt;br /&gt;&amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);" id="en-NIV-373" class="versenum" value="12"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt; As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);" id="en-NIV-374" class="versenum" value="13"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt; Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);" id="en-NIV-375" class="versenum" value="14"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt; But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);" id="en-NIV-376" class="versenum" value="15"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt; You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);" id="en-NIV-377" class="versenum" value="16"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt; In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt; &lt;sup id="en-NIV-378" class="versenum" value="17"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt; When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. &lt;sup id="en-NIV-379" class="versenum" value="18"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt; On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river  of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- &lt;sup id="en-NIV-380" class="versenum" value="19"&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt; the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, &lt;sup id="en-NIV-381" class="versenum" value="20"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt; Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, &lt;sup id="en-NIV-382" class="versenum" value="21"&gt;21&lt;/sup&gt; Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is apparent from the text that the covenant and the visitation by the Lord came in a dream.  During this entire sequence Abraham is in a deep sleep.  It begins when he falls into a deep sleep as the sun sets and the dream continues without any indication that Abraham awoke.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-603533934286255876?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/603533934286255876/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=603533934286255876' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/603533934286255876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/603533934286255876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/05/covenant-continued.html' title='The Covenant (continued)'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7378556012472713628</id><published>2009-03-07T18:22:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-07T19:04:56.027-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Covenant and the promise ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SbM1xQD3jvI/AAAAAAAAAeA/zJI86R6kv2A/s1600-h/abraham_stars721x597.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 258px; height: 213px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SbM1xQD3jvI/AAAAAAAAAeA/zJI86R6kv2A/s320/abraham_stars721x597.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310647505841000178" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The Lord makes a covenant with Abram in Genesis 15 promising that he will have a son.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup id="en-NIV-374" class="versenum" value="13"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; Then the LORD said to him, "&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt;Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);" id="en-NIV-375" class="versenum" value="14"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt; But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);" id="en-NIV-376" class="versenum" value="15"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt; You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. &lt;sup style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);" id="en-NIV-377" class="versenum" value="16"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt; In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;In addition to the promise of descendants Abram is promised the land. ...  "&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt;To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);" id="en-NIV-380" class="versenum" value="19"&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt; the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);" id="en-NIV-381" class="versenum" value="20"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt; Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);" id="en-NIV-382" class="versenum" value="21"&gt;21&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 51);"&gt; Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;In chapter 16 we find the story of Hagar, Sarai, Abram's wife's, Egyptian maidservant, who Sarai gives to Abram as a concubine and bears him a son, Ishmael, when he is 86.&lt;br /&gt;The whole story is fascinating if somewhat implausible at least to modern ears.  We have no exposure to the marginal life of a herdsman in an arid land.  Nor do we have direct experience of the social conventions of that far off time.  The importance of heirs and children loomed much larger then perhaps.  Abram clearly has a dramatic encounter with God, but the way God's promise will work out remains a mystery for him.  Note too the prophecy of the Egyptian bondage and the fact that the Amorites will only be displaced when their sin has reached its full measure.&lt;br /&gt;God is making dramatic and difficult promises to Abram, but note that the promises are in some way contingent on justice.  The Israelites will only displace the Amorites when the sin of the Amorites has reached full measure.  We have the promise of a true lineage, the prophecy of a four hundred year exile, and a restoration and displacement into a promised land.&lt;br /&gt;This is a retrotext of course.  Traditionally Genesis is part of the Torah and tradition says it was authored by Moses.  Scholars dispute this today, but note that if it were written by Moses at least the first part of this would be history and not prophecy, although recounted as if it were tradition.&lt;br /&gt;I really don't have a view myself of the authorship or the degree to which Moses was simply retrotelling the known history back into an earlier time as opposed to recounted a story of a tradition, a prophecy now fulfilled and one yet to come.  Then again it may be the work of a later author for which all was history.  We don't really know, and it really doesn't matter to the story only to its historicity.  I is incumbent upon us to reflect on the fact that historicity is not necessarily important, nor is a story false because it is told after the fact instead of before the fact.  Events can be interpreted in either way.  Ancient texts are difficult enough without demanding that we know everything about their authorship, a demand that is both unreasonable because it is impossible.  All we have are the texts and our own conjectures.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7378556012472713628?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7378556012472713628/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7378556012472713628' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7378556012472713628'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7378556012472713628'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/03/covenant-and-promise.html' title='Covenant and the promise ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SbM1xQD3jvI/AAAAAAAAAeA/zJI86R6kv2A/s72-c/abraham_stars721x597.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1364331430712093909</id><published>2009-01-25T07:42:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-25T15:52:54.959-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Abram Meets Melchizedek Figure of Eternal Priesthood</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SXyQx2r56lI/AAAAAAAAAcE/AcVvhwidIRA/s1600-h/communion26.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 167px; height: 207px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SXyQx2r56lI/AAAAAAAAAcE/AcVvhwidIRA/s320/communion26.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5295266448048515666" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In Genesis 13 Lot and Abram decide to go their separate ways and Lot settles in the Jordan plain and Abram to Canaan which the Lord gives to Abram.  Genesis 13:14-16 [&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;14 The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, "Lift up your eyes from where you are and look north and south, east and west. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-334" class="sup"&gt;15&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-335" class="sup"&gt;16&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted.&lt;/span&gt; ]&lt;br /&gt;After this in chapter 14 we find Abram saving Lot who has been carried off by a coalition of four kings who had attacked a combined force of five kings.  The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled and their cities were looted and Lot and his possessions were also seized because he was living in Sodom.&lt;br /&gt;Abram comes to Lot's rescue with a force of 381 trained men.  The small size of this force puts the whole account into some perspective.&lt;br /&gt;In Genesis 14:18-20 we find the mysterious figure of Melchizedek&lt;br /&gt;[ &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;Then Melchizedek king of Salem [i.e. Jerusalem] brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-356" class="sup"&gt;19&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; and he blessed Abram, saying, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;       "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;       Creator of heaven and earth. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-357" class="sup"&gt;20&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; And blessed be God Most High, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;       who delivered your enemies into your hand." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;      Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.&lt;/span&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are only ten references to Melchizedek in the bible.  This one, one in Psalm 110:4, and the eight references in the epistle to the Hebrews.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h3 style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Psalm 110 of David&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15788" class="sup"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; The LORD says to my Lord:&lt;br /&gt;"Sit at my right hand&lt;br /&gt;until I make your enemies&lt;br /&gt;a footstool for your feet." &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15789" class="sup"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion;&lt;br /&gt;you will rule in the midst of your enemies. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15790" class="sup"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; Your troops will be willing&lt;br /&gt;on your day of battle.&lt;br /&gt;Arrayed in holy majesty,&lt;br /&gt;from the womb of the dawn&lt;br /&gt;you will receive the dew of your youth.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15791" class="sup"&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; The LORD has sworn&lt;br /&gt;and will not change his mind:&lt;br /&gt;"You are a priest forever,&lt;br /&gt;in the order of &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);"&gt;Melchizedek&lt;/span&gt;." &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15792" class="sup"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; The Lord is at your right hand;&lt;br /&gt;he will crush kings on the day of his wrath. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15793" class="sup"&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead&lt;br /&gt;and crushing the rulers of the whole earth. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;span id="en-NIV-15794" class="sup"&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; He will drink from a brook beside the way  ;&lt;br /&gt;therefore he will lift up his head.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The figure of Melchizedek appears to be eschatological since his name is associated with eternity.  The epistle to the Hebrews will associate this mysterious figure with Christ and the sacrifice of bread and wine offered in Jerusalem by Melchizedek becomes a prefigurement of the Eucharist and Christ the eternal high priest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1364331430712093909?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1364331430712093909/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1364331430712093909' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1364331430712093909'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1364331430712093909'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/01/abraham-and-covenant.html' title='Abram Meets Melchizedek &lt;br /&gt;Figure of Eternal Priesthood'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SXyQx2r56lI/AAAAAAAAAcE/AcVvhwidIRA/s72-c/communion26.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7697229945562658262</id><published>2009-01-01T10:35:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-01T17:39:06.466-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The Infancy Narratives</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SV0fmX4O37I/AAAAAAAAAak/OGT_3zPz4JY/s1600-h/Flight.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 393px; height: 400px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SV0fmX4O37I/AAAAAAAAAak/OGT_3zPz4JY/s400/Flight.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5286416281708191666" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;As I mentioned there is much ado about nothing in the scholarly treatment of the infancy narratives because of the fact that the two evangelists, Matthew and Luke handle the story so differently.  However there are no real conflicts in the two stories especially when you realize that that stay at Bethlehem could easily have extended over a period as long as two years prior to the flight into Egypt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In reading the two treatments a direct harmonization can be accomplished in the following fashion:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Lk 1:26-38 The Account of the Annunciation and Mary is told that Elizabeth is pregnant.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Lk 1:39-56 Mary Visits Elizabeth staying about 3 months (Mary 3+ months pregnant)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);"&gt;Mt 1:18-25 The Birth of Jesus Christ (Matthew's account up to Joseph accepting Mary into his house)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Lk2:1-7 Journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem for the census and the birth of Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that here we have the first apparent conflict between the two accounts. Luke begins in Nazareth and sends Mary to Elizabeth back to Nazareth thence to Bethlehem for the census. Matthew by contrast seems to begin in Bethlehem and stay there. He is actually silent about their location until after the birth of the child.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Lk 2:8- 20 The Shepherds and the Angels (Matthew is silent about this)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Lk 2:21-38 Jesus Presented in the Temple (Birth + 8 Days) (Matthew is silent about this and the prophecies of Simeon and Anna)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);"&gt;Mt 2:1-12 The Visit of the Magi (Birth +|- up to two years probably a year)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To reconcile the two accounts one only has to assume that Joseph and Mary stayed on in Bethlehem which is near Jerusalem for a year or so while the child was small. This is certainly reasonable since one does not like to make long journeys with an infant if one doesn't have to, especially on foot. Since Herod ordered male children up to 2 years of age killed it is clear some time had passed since the Magi had seen the star and Herod was uncertain of the child's age.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 102);"&gt;Mt 2:13-18 The Escape to Egypt (Joseph in accord with an angelic visitation in a dream flees with Mary and the child to Egypt) by now the child is between one and two and likely can walk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 102);"&gt;Mt 2:19-21 The Return to Nazareth ( Circa 4 BC when Herod Died) &lt;/span&gt;and finally we can conclude with the passage from Luke:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 0);"&gt;Lk 2:39 39When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth. 40And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is reasonable to ask where the difficulty is? There are several usually cited.  One is the dating of Quirinius as governor of Syria when this first census took place.  I won't bother with that, but &lt;a href="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/p_greetham/Wisemen/chron1.html"&gt;Quirinius was in the area in the proper time frame &lt;/a&gt;and it is not difficult to harmonize all the dates.  The only other questions involve the silence in Luke about the Magi, Herod's attack and the flight into Egypt.  Some of these fit Matthew's plan and ideas about what is significant more than Luke's.  Luke is writing to Gentiles who don't care much about Jewish customs and ways while Matthew is writing earlier and trying to link Jesus to prophecy.  He may know about their original home in Nazareth and yet also know they had lived a significant time in Bethlehem and the Messiah must be born in Bethlehem of Judea.  It may be as simple as that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there are not very many problems.  I heartily recommend the book &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Mother of Jesus in the New Testament&lt;/span&gt; by John McHugh for those who seek more reading on the general subject.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7697229945562658262?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7697229945562658262/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7697229945562658262' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7697229945562658262'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7697229945562658262'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2009/01/infancy-narratives.html' title='The Infancy Narratives'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SV0fmX4O37I/AAAAAAAAAak/OGT_3zPz4JY/s72-c/Flight.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-505255837064250267</id><published>2008-12-31T20:21:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-31T21:10:59.009-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Is there error in scripture?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SVxMV69pkCI/AAAAAAAAAac/6b1Aod9JG_M/s1600-h/angelico_annunciation.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 376px; height: 274px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SVxMV69pkCI/AAAAAAAAAac/6b1Aod9JG_M/s320/angelico_annunciation.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5286184002114916386" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I have not the vaguest idea whether scripture can be or is in error in part or not.  I am inclined to say that insofar as it is truly the communication of a supremely good God that it is not in error and insofar as it is a human production it is almost certainly in error in part.  But I don't claim to be able to tell which is which and whether even what I've just said is true or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how do I go about it, i.e. reading scripture?  Well I read it as if it is error free on the supposition that anything I really need to know will be correct.  I also read it with discernment based on the innate sense of right and wrong that God has given each of us.  If something doesn't seem to make sense to me, I don't automatically assume it is wrong, I assume that it doesn't make sense to me, i.e. I acknowledge my lack of understanding.  There are many things in scripture that are obscure to us because we live such different lives so much later on the time line.  Straightforward customs of ancient times, things that would not need to have been explained to anyone and are just understood will completely pass us by.  Occasionally some of these are pointed out by the author, likely others simply mystify us even to the point of not being translated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The scholars of the late nineteenth century decided that the bible was full of doubtful material.  All those miracles for example could not be true.  What happened was a whole lot of rethinking of biblical material always questioning the accuracy of the accounts.  Theories were advanced of a long period of oral tradition before the accounts were written down.  Now in fact there is no particular reason to believe in a long period of oral tradition.  Nothing we know of demands it except the suppositions of skeptics to begin with.  Tradition has assigned the accounts to eye witnesses or those who knew eye witnesses.  There is no particular reason to doubt the traditional assignments except that it would call into question the theory of oral tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to take a particular case in point and talk about it.  That is the rather timely case (since it is within the Christmas Season) of the Nativity accounts.  There are two accounts of the birth of Jesus, one in the gospel of Matthew and the other in the gospel of Luke.  Christians typically conflate the accounts and scholars say that the accounts are irreconcilable.   Now I think it is pretty silly to claim that they are irreconcilable when the average person reading the accounts doesn't leap to the conclusion that something is wrong.  I think the reason for that is that harmonizing the accounts, far from being particularly difficult, is actually fairly easy.  There are no outright contradiction only silences which disquiet scholars who are used to printed texts and instant communication.   The ancient world wasn't like that.  Books were expensive since each had to be individually written out.  One did not multiple details that were irrelevant to one's purposes so it is not at all surprising that two writers writing at different times for different purposes might give different accounts of the same story, Matthew writing for a Jewish audience and Luke writing for a Gentile audience.  If we keep those factors in mind we can almost immediately see why the accounts differ.  The details in each case that are left out are details of little interest to the other evangelist because his audience is different.  It is also quite possible that their own sources differed and that they were simply unaware of some details and so didn't touch upon those matters they did not know in common.  We'll look a bit more closely at these two Nativity accounts in the next post.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-505255837064250267?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/505255837064250267/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=505255837064250267' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/505255837064250267'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/505255837064250267'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-there-error-in-scripture.html' title='Is there error in scripture?'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SVxMV69pkCI/AAAAAAAAAac/6b1Aod9JG_M/s72-c/angelico_annunciation.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-485742414634844723</id><published>2008-12-07T17:11:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T10:48:34.707-08:00</updated><title type='text'>An Aside on Biblical Interpretation and the Nature of Revelation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/STx39VTyiBI/AAAAAAAAAXM/7NSdf58JAPQ/s1600-h/BibleScroll.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 122px; height: 161px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/STx39VTyiBI/AAAAAAAAAXM/7NSdf58JAPQ/s400/BibleScroll.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5277224758947252242" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Before going too much further it might be worthwhile to say a few words about biblical interpretation and the nature of revelation.  Let me divide that into a few steps:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Step 1:&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 102); font-weight: bold;"&gt;Definition of Revelation&lt;/span&gt; — I am defining revelation (here understood as Divine Revelation) as a communication between God and man.  Now God is the primary agent in such a communication.  God has all the properties of God which make everything he says certainly true and so forth.  But communication has two side and the other side is human.  Human beings are fallible.  There are plenty of occasions in the bible where God is not understood by the human side of the equation.  So step one is a communication from a perfect God to an imperfect human or humans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Step 2: &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 102); font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Communication of the Revelation to Succeeding Generations&lt;/span&gt; — requires that it be written down or remembered as an oral tradition.  This requires a chain of accuracy to be maintained if the communication is not to be distorted.  In Christian circles it is assumed that the revelation is preserved in accuracy by the action of the Holy Spirit.  Exactly how this happens is a matter of theoretical concern and one has to overcome the existence of an awful lot of variants in the texts to take it too literally.  This is particularly true of whole passages which appear in some manuscripts and do not appear at all in others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Step 3: &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 102); font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Interpretation of the Revelation by Each Generation&lt;/span&gt; — is where the rubber meets the road.  We can't even interpret William Shakespeare with perfection, English has changed so much.  Why do we think we can interpret scripture which comes to us from ancient Hebrew or koine Greek or Aramatic over a span of many millenia?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I only raise these issues because they are real ones.  One can't always wave one's hands and say "It's a miracle!"  The divisions of the churches over iota's is a history of tragedy and suffering.  A bit less hubris seems called for.  Since this blog is not just for Christians, nor even just for believers, I am taking a rather low road.  My definition of scripture will be books held by the Judeo-Christian tradition as inspired.  This only selects the books.  Then I will treat them as one might treat any other books giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are what they claim to be, insofar as they make any claims at all.  It is appropriate to point out that scripture typically doesn't identify itself as scripture.  Moreover, many books not in the canon are quoted within the canon as if they are authoritative, ex. the book of Enoch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a link to a site that presents a Catholic view of revelation. &lt;a href="http://www.kenrickparish.com/gresham/cbi/"&gt;Click Here&lt;/a&gt; I don't know anything about it as I just stumbled upon so my link is not a recommendation.  I add more links as I stumble upon them.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-485742414634844723?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/485742414634844723/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=485742414634844723' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/485742414634844723'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/485742414634844723'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/12/aside-on-biblical-interpretation-and.html' title='An Aside on Biblical Interpretation and the Nature of Revelation'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/STx39VTyiBI/AAAAAAAAAXM/7NSdf58JAPQ/s72-c/BibleScroll.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-8408431722090560139</id><published>2008-12-07T15:42:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-07T16:52:23.244-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Abram and the Covenant</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/STxvpgkwoDI/AAAAAAAAAXE/tWT3iiper1k/s1600-h/Abraham.web.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 115px; height: 400px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/STxvpgkwoDI/AAAAAAAAAXE/tWT3iiper1k/s400/Abraham.web.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5277215622280814642" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The prehistory of Israel continues with the story of Abram who becomes Abraham patriarch of Israel.  Abram is son of Terah of Ur of the Chaldees, and Abram is the older brother of Nahor, and Haran.  Haran died before his father but not before he begat Lot, Abram's nephew.  I'm not qualified to comment technically, but various genetic markers suggest that there is DNA evidence for a common ancestor to the Hebrew and Arab peoples that is contemporary with the biblical Abram &lt;a href="http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Abrahams_Chromosomes$.asp"&gt;See Here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Terah took his children and their wives to the land of Canaan to Haran.  The death of Terah at the age of 205 in Haran ends Genesis 11.  The question of dating comes into play.  When did the historical Abraham walk the earth? Obvously this is a highly speculative question that requires a lot of cross referencing of events, locations, individuals and the like.  We will explore these questions in the following order:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Dating of Abram/Abraham&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Abram's Story&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Covenant&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-8408431722090560139?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/8408431722090560139/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=8408431722090560139' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/8408431722090560139'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/8408431722090560139'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/12/abram-and-covenant.html' title='Abram and the Covenant'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/STxvpgkwoDI/AAAAAAAAAXE/tWT3iiper1k/s72-c/Abraham.web.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7959644143976849727</id><published>2008-11-23T10:59:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-23T12:43:15.452-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The Tower of Babel</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SSmztrj_MYI/AAAAAAAAAV8/aphHWg_Atuk/s1600-h/templeOfMarduk.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 211px; height: 232px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SSmztrj_MYI/AAAAAAAAAV8/aphHWg_Atuk/s400/templeOfMarduk.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5271942436183028098" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The whole story of the tower of Babel, like that of the flood, is a story emerging out of pre-history and hence full of mythological and legendary elements.  Stories of this kind are hard to analyze it seems to me.  The excavations at the historic sites show that large temples to pagan gods were erected.  The Babylonian god Marduk had a temple, the ziggurat of Marduk, which was 300 feet square at its base.  The ziggurat rose to a height of about 300 feet and could be seen from far outside the city.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story which begins in Genesis 10 is at pains to trace all the nations of the earth to the sons of Noah. The chapter concludes (Genesis 10:32) "These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis chapter 11 takes us from this point to the time of Abram who was a son of Terah and born in Ur of the Chaldees.  One &lt;a href="http://www.calvarytucson.org/timeline.htm"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt; which simply accumulates the time line gives the birth of Abram as 1948 years since Adam.  A more secular timeline for the period is shown below.&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.crystalinks.com/babylonian.html"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SSm-L9LUHhI/AAAAAAAAAWE/a41tk9PjQIs/s400/mesotimeline.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5271953951423733266" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The motivation for destroying the tower of Babel is a bit muddled in the text.  The way it sounds is that God was offended by the construction and confounded their language and scattered them.  I've always found the story a bit strange.  It would have made more sense to me if there had been a reference to false gods or something like that, but instead it comes across as if God is jealous of their accomplishments and that would make no sense at all.  It does have slight echos of the pagan stories of the Titans and also there are stories in Babylonian mythology of the gods trying to destroy man that might also contribute to this story. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One also wonders if the shift from &lt;b&gt;cuneiform script&lt;/b&gt; to alphabetic writing on perishable materials may play some role in this story.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7959644143976849727?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7959644143976849727/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7959644143976849727' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7959644143976849727'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7959644143976849727'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/11/tower-of-babel.html' title='The Tower of Babel'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SSmztrj_MYI/AAAAAAAAAV8/aphHWg_Atuk/s72-c/templeOfMarduk.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7810831987047026700</id><published>2008-10-05T08:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-05T11:59:59.504-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Noah and the Flood</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/LoveInArk.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 230px; height: 171px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/LoveInArk.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I don't want to belabor the flood story.  It is hard to know what to do with it.  As an historical account it is hard to credit.  As myth it shares a number of significant points of contact with the epic of Gilgamesh which also recounts a flood story and one which closely parallels aspects of the Noah story.  This strongly suggests that the two accounts are interdependent, either one influenced the other or both depending on another source we don't have.&lt;br /&gt;In schematic form the story is that God, displeased with the corruption of man finds a righteous man in Noah and tells him to build an ark 300x50x30 cubits (about 450x75x45 feet) with three decks and stock it with all the animals on the earth.  The flood comes, everyone dies except Noah and his family, and so forth.  After the flood ends and things dry out God makes a covenant with Noah never to do this again and cements it with the rainbow.&lt;br /&gt;The story extends from Genesis Chapter 6 to Chapter 9.  There is much support for an ancient flood of epic proportions in the legends of many cultures. Whether these are references to many events or a single cataclysmic event cannot be established.  Elements of the account are frankly fantastic and implausible which makes it appear the account was elaborated becoming legendary as it accumulated details in the retelling.  It continues to inspire people today and a lively cottage industry exists in recreating the ark, explaining the details, searching &lt;a href="http://www.noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm"&gt;Mount Ararat&lt;/a&gt; and even &lt;a href="http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/NOAH.html"&gt;Alien Contact&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7810831987047026700?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7810831987047026700/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7810831987047026700' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7810831987047026700'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7810831987047026700'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/10/noah-and-flood.html' title='Noah and the Flood'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-6201742638725727572</id><published>2008-09-21T08:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-21T11:38:32.888-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Genealogies and Giants</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.crystalinks.com/coeus.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 143px; height: 200px;" src="http://www.crystalinks.com/coeus.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;When Adam and Eve are expelled from the Garden, things go down hill fast.  Moreover we move from language that is very mythical to language that is transitional.  It contains matter of fact material delivered with unusual data, for example: A string of patriarchs who live over 900 years.&lt;br /&gt;It begins with the story of Cain murdering his brother Abel.  What lies behind this first primordial murder?  After a story of ritual punishment we are given a genealogy of Cain.  This is followed by The birth of Seth and a detailed genealogy following the Adam-Seth chain which contains a bizarre sequence of implausible birth and death ages.  A sequence of patriarchs starting with Adam live to impossibly long ages ranging from a low of Enoch at 365 when he is taken away by God, to Methusalah who lives to the age of 969.  Noah doesn't have children until he is 500.  It seems very unlikely that these are accurate accounts of human ages.  The arithmetic is carefully confirmed in each case, for example:Genesis 5:12-14 &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-119" class="sup"&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; And after he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-120" class="sup"&gt;14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; Altogether, Kenan lived 910 years, and then he died. &lt;/span&gt; Notice the careful confirmation of the arithmetic: 70 + 840 = 910 years.  Each of the generations is described this way.  Why is that?&lt;br /&gt;One ought always to admit ignorance in matters like this.  We simply don't know why these numbers are the way they are.   The way numbers are conveyed in Hebrew, like Greek, is with letters standing for numbers and their interpretation demands that you know what the letters mean.  One theory I have seen advanced is that the meaning before the Babylonian captivity was different from the meaning after, and the original meaning had been forgotten.  In the course of the redaction a later system of interpretation was applied and the careful summations were added to make sure that 1) the numbers added up, and 2) the same thing didn't happen again.  Thus these odd and implausible numbers may simply be due to a common human failing, that of forgetting.&lt;br /&gt;Numerology of various sorts has a very long and respectable history.  &lt;a href="http://www.theomatics.com/theomatics/struct.html"&gt;Theomatics &lt;/a&gt;is a term used for the process of calculating the numerical values of letters in Hebrew and Greek.  It's worth a look if you're interested in calculating &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;666&lt;/span&gt; for example.  In Hebrew mysticism this is called &lt;a href="http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm"&gt;Gematria&lt;/a&gt; and is related to &lt;a href="http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm"&gt;Kabbalah&lt;/a&gt; which is itself a much misunderstood subject.&lt;br /&gt;What are we to say of these numerical matters?  I think we can say that it is a mystery.  It may be a mistake.  It is probably not literal, and all of these statements are conjectural.  The mystery only deepens when we reach Genesis 6:4: &lt;b style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;The &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 204, 51);"&gt;Nephilim&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.&lt;/span&gt;  This is one of the reasons why I say that we have not entirely gone beyond the realm of myth here.  Who are these &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Nephilim&lt;/span&gt;? and who are the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sons of God&lt;/span&gt; and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;daughters of men&lt;/span&gt;?  There are many speculations, but again these are only conjecture and reach us out of the dim mists of time and the fog of history turned to myth.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-6201742638725727572?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/6201742638725727572/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=6201742638725727572' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6201742638725727572'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/6201742638725727572'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/09/genealogies-and-giants.html' title='Genealogies and Giants'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-9155163666848729115</id><published>2008-09-14T07:58:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-14T15:51:11.109-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Threading ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.greek-gods.info/ancient-greek-gods/fates/images/fates.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 140px; height: 169px;" src="http://www.greek-gods.info/ancient-greek-gods/fates/images/fates.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;All tapestries are woven of threads.  One of the more moving metaphors of life for me is that of the thread. In Greek mythology there were three Fates:&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Clotho&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Lachesis&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;Atropos. &lt;/i&gt;Clotho spun the thread of life. Lachesis measured out the thread of life, and Atropos cut the thread of life.  Thus was your destiny determined.  The tapestry of all life was woven with these individual threads.&lt;br /&gt;I like that image.  I think it conveys a kind of global vision of the providence of God and not merely an ancient fatalism.  Each thread is woven into the pattern of life in a certain way so that the pattern will be correct, the world will not be right without that particular thread woven in in just that way.&lt;br /&gt;In Scripture the threads are the sentences that convey meaning.  We are told in Psalm 104:24 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;How many are your works, O LORD!  In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures.&lt;/span&gt;" A thread in Scripture is an idea, a concept which reveals God to us in some particular way.  Each of the threads is positioned to convey the message of God's revelation.  When a thread is torn from it's position in Scripture, we cannot always be certain that the meaning is preserved.  For that reason I am very uncomfortable with what I call the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;snippet&lt;/span&gt; approach to bible quoting.  One snippet here, another there, and you can prove 'most anything.&lt;br /&gt;I want to step back a little from the discussion of Genesis to revisit Adam and Eve.  We saw Adam is derived from earth and Eve from life.  Eve desired wisdom under the enticement of the serpent and gave the apple from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to Adam to eat.  This act of disobedience caused them to lose paradise and gain a life of toil, pain and ultimately death.&lt;br /&gt;I have a lot of questions about this story.  I am curious about its ultimate meaning.  So let's flash forward thousands of years to the New Testament.  The word 'Adam' only appears in 24 places in the bible (if you search on that single word in http://www.biblegateway.com/ )&lt;br /&gt;Sixteen are in the Old Testament and eight in the New Testament.  Of these eight I will focus only on half: 1) those in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and those in Romans chapter 5.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 style="color: rgb(51, 153, 153);"&gt;1 Corinthians 15:21-15;41-49&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1 Cor 15:21-25&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0); font-weight: bold;"&gt;21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1 Cor 15:41-49&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;      If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 style="color: rgb(51, 153, 153);"&gt;Romans 5:12-14&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Wisdom of God, He who is with God from the beginning and without whom nothing was made that was made comes to transform us from earth, the natural man, the first man, to transcendent man, risen with the likeness of the Man from Heaven.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-9155163666848729115?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/9155163666848729115/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=9155163666848729115' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/9155163666848729115'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/9155163666848729115'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/09/threading.html' title='Threading ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-5945287890064675746</id><published>2008-09-07T07:34:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-07T07:58:09.355-07:00</updated><title type='text'>What are we to make of this?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SMPrnmSexhI/AAAAAAAAATQ/8dwfRZA8ejc/s1600-h/banishment+from+garden.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SMPrnmSexhI/AAAAAAAAATQ/8dwfRZA8ejc/s320/banishment+from+garden.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5243293456714876434" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story of the temptation and disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is emblematic of the Fall of Man from a state of original bliss in perfect communion with God to a state of relative degradation, condemned to toil and pain and death.  These trappings to the story are the accumulation of ages and ages of exegesis.&lt;br /&gt;The story itself has very primitive elements.  It is mythic, set in a place of perfection.  It is mythic in the sense of animals given sentience and voice in the form of the serpent.  The implication being that other animals, less crafty, less disobedient, may also have had voices.  God Himself is pictured as a gardener, a shaper of the earth, who shapes even life itself, but also one who is jealous of competition.  The last verse we saw said: Genesis 3:22 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Some Questions&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does it mean that "man has now become like one of us ..."?  Who are "us"?  Why is it a surprise that "man has now become like one of us ..." if man was made to be in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:26) then how can it be that God is now concerned?  What is "the tree of life" which man had not been forbidden to eat of?&lt;br /&gt;The point is not that I have answers, but that I have many questions which are not answered by any exegesis that I've seen.  Eve ate because the fruit was beautiful and wisdom was desired and because the serpent had lied to her.  The wisdom was the knowledge of good and evil, i.e. the capacity to discern the true nature of things, hence becoming more godlike, but also more rebellious since to eat was to disobey.  What does this tell us about the relationship between obedience to divine command and knowledge?  C.S. Lewis in a number of places cites John 7:17 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.&lt;/span&gt;" [King James Version] as a basis for his view of a 'Deep Church' of those who serve God through their obedience. "  In following the serpent after wisdom, Adam and Eve doomed themselves to perpetually seeking a lesser wisdom perhaps, than would have been offered had they been obedient.  Moreover, the second tree, the tree of life, still awaits us.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-5945287890064675746?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/5945287890064675746/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=5945287890064675746' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/5945287890064675746'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/5945287890064675746'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/09/what-are-we-to-make-of-this.html' title='What are we to make of this?'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SMPrnmSexhI/AAAAAAAAATQ/8dwfRZA8ejc/s72-c/banishment+from+garden.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1657515662028236836</id><published>2008-09-07T05:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-07T07:34:03.830-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The End of Bliss</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SMPeoljUBUI/AAAAAAAAATI/RhYmIAK8RbQ/s1600-h/asp%26appleBLK.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 174px; height: 133px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SMPeoljUBUI/AAAAAAAAATI/RhYmIAK8RbQ/s320/asp%26appleBLK.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5243279180045747522" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Chapter 2 of Genesis ends on the verse Genesis 2:25 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.&lt;/span&gt;" — It's probably a good time to point out that the chapter and verse notations as well as any little headings are all very late additions to the bible.  They are not original and they are often not very well considered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Enter a talking serpent.&lt;/span&gt; Genesis 3:1 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?&lt;/span&gt;" Everyone is used to assuming that the serpent is Satan, but Satan is a much later conceptual entity.  The serpent could be anything at all, but one thing he certainly is and that is the personification of disobedience and rebellion.  His very first action is to sow doubt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The precipitous Fall of Man&lt;/span&gt; takes place in the span of a single verse (two short sentences), Genesis 3:6 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;The serpent had made two claims, one false and the other true: 1) "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;You will not surely die&lt;/span&gt;" which was false, and 2) "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.&lt;/span&gt;" which appears to be true.  For before they ate of the apple they had no shame at their nakedness, although it is not said if they should have felt shame, that is only an implication and not an assertion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Consequences quickly followed&lt;/span&gt; — Was is wisdom now that informed them that they were naked?  God called to the man but he hid because he was naked.  When God asks Adam if he has eaten of the fruit of the tree from which he had been forbidden to eat he compounds his betrayal: Genesis 3:12 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.&lt;/span&gt;" Thus Adam, Father of the Human Race starts his reign with a double betrayal.  He disobeys God, blames his wife, who then blames the serpent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Consequences are&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;1) the serpent is condemned to slither on the ground,&lt;br /&gt;2) enmity is put between the woman and the serpent and in a verse with several Christian interpretations we are told: Genesis 3:15 "&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;... I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;" In Mel Gibson's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Passion of the Christ&lt;/span&gt; we saw one of the Christian interpretations acted out in another garden.  There are three translations, that from the Hebrew, the Greek of the Septuagint (LXX), and from the Latin Vulgate. Each translation has fostered a different interpretation. (&lt;a href="http://www.frtommylane.com/bible/enjoying_paul_old_testament/04_ot_genesis3.15.htm"&gt;See Here&lt;/a&gt;)  The Hebrew uses a neuter &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;it&lt;/span&gt;, the LXX &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;he&lt;/span&gt; with Christological implications, and the Vulgate uses &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;she&lt;/span&gt; with Mariological implications.  It all seems a mystical treatment of a mystical passage.&lt;br /&gt;3) Eve, woman, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Life&lt;/span&gt;, is condemned to pain in childbirth and submission to her husband (Genesis 3:16),&lt;br /&gt;4) the very ground is cursed and man is condemned to a life of toil. Genesis 3:17  "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;5) finally they are cast out of the garden.  However the reason given is bizarre: Genesis 3:22 "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;h3&gt;What are we to make of this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1657515662028236836?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1657515662028236836/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1657515662028236836' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1657515662028236836'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1657515662028236836'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/09/end-of-bliss.html' title='The End of Bliss'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SMPeoljUBUI/AAAAAAAAATI/RhYmIAK8RbQ/s72-c/asp%26appleBLK.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1723305186278907235</id><published>2008-08-31T07:14:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-31T08:37:59.169-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Things Get Complicated</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLqximxyfYI/AAAAAAAAASo/vpsxNllkAs8/s1600-h/WeddingBands.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLqximxyfYI/AAAAAAAAASo/vpsxNllkAs8/s200/WeddingBands.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5240696324482039170" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We last looked at the creation of man, Adam, from the earth (adamah in the Hebrew), and finished with God's command not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  The punishment for transgression was death, but the phrasing is interesting: Genesis 2:17 "&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.&lt;/span&gt;"  — &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;when you eat of it you you will surely die.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The phrasing suggests a natural outcome and not simply a punishment as a quid pro quo of a juridical law.  But we'll leave that for now and go forward.  In Genesis 2:18-25 we have the account of the creation of woman.  God sees that it is not good for the man to be alone and creates all the animals, but they are not adequate companions for the man.  So God casts Adam into a deep sleep and creates &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ishah&lt;/span&gt; from &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ish&lt;/span&gt;, that is woman from man.  The words distinguished only by their endings.  This is the same distinction between Adam and adamah only the formation direction is the opposite.  Adam comes from the earth, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;adamah&lt;/span&gt;.  Woman &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ishah&lt;/span&gt; comes from the man, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ish&lt;/span&gt;.  And in death both return to the earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we look at the passage Genesis 2:22-25 we find that first God presents the woman to the man.  The man acknowledges the woman as flesh of his flesh, bone of his bone, and then we are told: Genesis 2:24  "&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.&lt;/span&gt;"  The prefatory phrase "For this reason..." has to go back and refer to something and it isn't Adam's acknowlegement alone but the fact that God has presented the woman to him.  Just so, going forward, it is God that presents each man with the woman who will be bound to him in intimacy.  We find the words of Geneses 2:24 on the lips of Jesus (Mark 10:3-10)  rejecting divorce and St. Paul (Ephesians 5:25-33) when he explains the mystery of Christ's union with the Church.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1723305186278907235?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1723305186278907235/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1723305186278907235' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1723305186278907235'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1723305186278907235'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/things-get-complicated.html' title='Things Get Complicated'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLqximxyfYI/AAAAAAAAASo/vpsxNllkAs8/s72-c/WeddingBands.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-660924140390862653</id><published>2008-08-24T08:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-24T08:58:17.630-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Engagement with Faith</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLF9907j_OI/AAAAAAAAASY/VJ-abfOwUWE/s1600-h/papalSymbols.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 115px; height: 155px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLF9907j_OI/AAAAAAAAASY/VJ-abfOwUWE/s200/papalSymbols.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5238106342742555874" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was reading a book about faith.  I think it was by &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Joseph_Suenens"&gt;Cardinal Suenens&lt;/a&gt;.  But whether that is correct or not what I remember is a bit about religious responses.  The author made the point that there are three kinds of religious responses and that everyone's response is made up of some mix of those three kinds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The kinds are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Autogenous — the response of personal responsibility to make up your own mind and inform your own conscience.  One might say personal intellectual discernment.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Programmatic — the response of obedience to duly constituted authority such as the pastor, the bishop, the scripture, the pope, or whatever authority is recognized in your particular case.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Pneumatic — the response to the Spirit as experienced in your own faith life.  This is the response to personal inspiration under appropriate discernment and is the kind of response often characterized as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;charismatic&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;I think there are also three characteristic and related resposes required in each case and these are: Humility for the besetting sin of the Autogenous is likely to be intellectual arrogance.  Submissive Obedience for the likely sin of the Programmatic is disobedience when he or she ought to obey.  Finally, Prayer and Discernment for the danger to the Pneumatic is Spiritual Pride and mistakenly following false spirits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the years I've often reflected on these things.  I am personally rather Autogenous, probably 60% at least, and maybe 30% Programmatic, and only 10% Pneumatic.  I'm not entirely sure how useful this sort of taxonomy is more generally, but it has been useful to me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-660924140390862653?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/660924140390862653/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=660924140390862653' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/660924140390862653'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/660924140390862653'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/engagement-with-faith.html' title='Engagement with Faith'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLF9907j_OI/AAAAAAAAASY/VJ-abfOwUWE/s72-c/papalSymbols.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-8201791392802062536</id><published>2008-08-23T09:32:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-23T09:44:20.736-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Another Garden, Another Tree</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLA7rqa1I_I/AAAAAAAAASQ/3DdKU2DFgcU/s1600-h/gardenAndTree.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLA7rqa1I_I/AAAAAAAAASQ/3DdKU2DFgcU/s400/gardenAndTree.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5237751987939124210" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;If the first Adam was placed in a garden and disobeyed God, the second Adam came to repair the damage.  As St. Paul says in Romans 5:14 &lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Adam was made in the likeness of God, and the second Adam was God Himself come to restore us. 1 Cor 15:45-49 gives — &lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-28749" class="sup"&gt;46&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-28750" class="sup"&gt;47&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-28751" class="sup"&gt;48&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);" id="en-NIV-28752" class="sup"&gt;49&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the beginning of time one man brought death into the world.  At the end of the age, God came to the world as Man and restored Man to union with God even accepting death Himself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-8201791392802062536?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/8201791392802062536/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=8201791392802062536' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/8201791392802062536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/8201791392802062536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/another-garden-another-tree.html' title='Another Garden, Another Tree'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SLA7rqa1I_I/AAAAAAAAASQ/3DdKU2DFgcU/s72-c/gardenAndTree.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-2270883727755789356</id><published>2008-08-22T15:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-22T15:53:27.486-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Garden and a Tree</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SK9C3F1A5aI/AAAAAAAAAR4/r_2QUM1ajXE/s1600-h/treeS.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SK9C3F1A5aI/AAAAAAAAAR4/r_2QUM1ajXE/s200/treeS.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5237478405879948706" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Adam in the Hebrew sounds like the word earth, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;adamah&lt;/span&gt;.  And Adam is set in this special Garden which God has made.  It is full of food bearing trees and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Then God gives the single command which is that they may eat of every tree of the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  If they eat of that tree they will die.  So that's the scenario.  There are also rivers flowing out of the garden that divide into a whole bunch of rivers with names that are current even today.  Stopping at verse 17 (Gen 2:17) we might reasonably ask: What's going on here?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is highly figurative language.  God is presented as the proprietor of a perfect place.  From the earth he creates Man whose name is like earth and puts him in charge of taking care of the garden with only one restriction.  This is fairy-tale-like.  The obvious question is why is the story framed this way and why such a pointed story? —  A single command with ultimate obedience required and an ultimate punishment to be imposed if the command is not obeyed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is clearly a story intended to teach a single primary point for it turns on a single primary command.  Any reader can see already at this point that there would be no story if the command were not to be disobeyed.  Obedience and disobedience are the core of the story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-2270883727755789356?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/2270883727755789356/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=2270883727755789356' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/2270883727755789356'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/2270883727755789356'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/garden-and-tree.html' title='A Garden and a Tree'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SK9C3F1A5aI/AAAAAAAAAR4/r_2QUM1ajXE/s72-c/treeS.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-5876927128560951681</id><published>2008-08-20T17:10:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-20T17:43:35.797-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Compare and Contrast</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKy5SPlHlBI/AAAAAAAAARQ/AVTLLSuY93Q/s1600-h/apple_tree.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 157px; height: 153px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKy5SPlHlBI/AAAAAAAAARQ/AVTLLSuY93Q/s400/apple_tree.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5236764189796045842" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In academic circles the phrase &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;compare and contrast&lt;/span&gt; is a mantra.  It's what academics do, especially with multiple sources.  Now the last entry looked at Genesis 1 through Genesis 2:3.  We now enter upon new ground with Genesis 2:4.  It is the garden of Eden story, a second and apparently independent account of creations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Independent?&lt;/h2&gt;Well yes independent.  The last story ended with the creation of man on the sixth day.  Now we find that in the initial verses, Genesis 2:4-7 that man is created, but "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; and no plant of the field had yet sprung up&lt;/span&gt;"— if you go back and look you'll find that God created the plants in the first account on the third day, so if man was created before them either it was early on the third day or on the second day.  Isn't there a problem here?  I mean if you are a bible literalist, how is it you can reconcile the two accounts?  You can't.  Day three is much less than day six.  What is implied is that the days don't matter.  They are only there for the purpose of making the sabbath holy not for keeping a detailed account of the time of various things being created.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;The Garden&lt;/h2&gt;After creating man God places him in a garden which He has planted ahead of time (before the other plants were planted presumably) — the chronology is decidedly muddled.  The function of the garden seems to be to provide an idyllic place for man.  God is depicted as full of fruit bearing trees and God gives Adam this command (Genesis 2:16-17): "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" id="en-NIV-48" class="sup"&gt;17&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.&lt;/span&gt;" The scene is set.  We will return.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-5876927128560951681?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/5876927128560951681/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=5876927128560951681' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/5876927128560951681'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/5876927128560951681'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/compare-and-contrast.html' title='Compare and Contrast'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKy5SPlHlBI/AAAAAAAAARQ/AVTLLSuY93Q/s72-c/apple_tree.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-3856673187005902716</id><published>2008-08-13T09:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-13T10:26:29.906-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Creation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKMZN0aH7RI/AAAAAAAAAP0/zuln8u1BK7w/s1600-h/Big-BangS.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKMZN0aH7RI/AAAAAAAAAP0/zuln8u1BK7w/s400/Big-BangS.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234054917131857170" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The creation story in Genesis 1 is rather obviously not to be taken literally.  I don't say that with any disrespect for the word of God, only based on the fact that it is a story with several manifest lessons that have nothing to do with the ancient cosmological content in which the story is set.&lt;br /&gt;We don't know if the text had an external setting in the life of Israel as possibly a ceremonial reading.  The lessons it teaches are straightforward:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;God created everthing that is.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Everything God created is good.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;God made man in His own image.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;God gave man stewardship of the earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;God rested on the seventh day which is why we have the Sabbath.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;That I think is the religious content of Geneses 1:1 through 2:2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now the story is set over the seven days of creation and part of the story fits more or less well into the chronology that modern science would recognize and part simply reflects the ancient cosmology of the author.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 1:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;God creates light and separates it from darkness and there was evening and morning the first day.  This is rather poetic language.  It isn't clear what evening and morning mean in the absence of the cycle of light and darkness provided by the sun.  Light scientifically is something while darkness is simply the absence of light.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 2:&lt;/span&gt; On the second day God separates the water into water above the sky and water below the sky creating the sky.  This sort of explains how it can rain, but it's a primitive and incorrect cosmology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 3:&lt;/span&gt; God does quite a bit more on day three.  He separates the water from the land and creates plants, vegetation and seed and fruit bearing trees.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 4:&lt;/span&gt; God creates the sun and the moon.  Now it's always seemed a bit odd to me that He would create vegetation before there was a way for the vegetation to get light.  I don't think it makes much sense as an actual account of origins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 5:&lt;/span&gt; On the fifth day God creates the creatures that live in the sea and the birds of the air.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 6:&lt;/span&gt; On the sixth day God creates the animals and man, creating man in his own image and giving him dominion over all the other creatures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 102, 0);"&gt;Day 7:&lt;/span&gt; God rests on the seventh day blessing it and making it holy.  (Note: we transition at the end of the sixth day to Chapter 2 which is strange.   It is important to note that the &lt;a href="http://documents.fuller.edu/ministry/berean/chs_vss.htm"&gt;chapter and verse divisions&lt;/a&gt; of the bible are not original coming about only in the 13th century and hence not divinely revealed.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So that is the first creation story in the bible.  It has resulted in all kinds of squabbling.  The general sequence is not too hard to reconcile with modern science with the exception of the creation of vegetation before the sun if you imagine that the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;days&lt;/span&gt; are in fact eras.  But that's really wrong headed.  The cosmology doesn't really have any religious content.  It doesn't matter.  It's the trappings in which the religious content is wrapped.  It would be hard to imagine God trying to give a modern science lesson to migrant shepherds or ancient agrarian farmers.  It also does not constitute a basis for contradicting evolutionary theory.  Whether evolution is right or wrong is simply irrelevant to the religious payload of Genesis 1, at least that's how I see it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-3856673187005902716?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/3856673187005902716/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=3856673187005902716' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3856673187005902716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3856673187005902716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/creation.html' title='Creation'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKMZN0aH7RI/AAAAAAAAAP0/zuln8u1BK7w/s72-c/Big-BangS.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7334395432472994790</id><published>2008-08-12T07:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-12T09:40:26.811-07:00</updated><title type='text'>In the beginning ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKGiBRMSREI/AAAAAAAAAOA/aSvT4QNvkc4/s1600-h/heavenAndEarth.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 203px; height: 110px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKGiBRMSREI/AAAAAAAAAOA/aSvT4QNvkc4/s400/heavenAndEarth.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233642384659727426" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's return to Genesis chapter one.  To understand any text it is important as Mortimer Adler points out in &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;How to Read a Book&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to know what kind of text it is.  Is it history, poetry, a teaching story (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;midrash&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;), prophecy, and so forth through all the possible genres one could imagine?  It is also important to understand the point of view of the author.  In the context of scripture one might expect people to say something like &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"But the author is God"&lt;/span&gt; and that somewhat begs the question.  For while God doubtless inspired sacred writings, they are still written down by human authors with human intent.  God doesn't turn the author into some sort of robot.&lt;br /&gt;The first verse of Genesis is: &lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Already we have some key concepts to consider.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Beginning&lt;/h2&gt;The idea that things were not always as they are, that the world had a beginning was not a universal idea.  Aristotle, for example, taught that the world was eternal.  It is probably hard for us to appreciate how significant the idea of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;a beginning of the world&lt;/span&gt; actually is.  We are not really able to imagine &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;nothing&lt;/span&gt; or existence before time itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Created&lt;/h2&gt;God &lt;i&gt;created&lt;/i&gt;— is also a concept when we tend to misconstrue.  When we create it is to assemble from previously existing things.  The whole concept of &lt;b&gt;God&lt;/b&gt; is of a being who preexists all that exists and is the root cause of all that exists.  That's actually a pretty tall order.  God creates then &lt;i&gt;ex nihilo&lt;/i&gt;—from nothing in that existentially formative moment, &lt;i&gt;the beginning&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;The Heavens and The Earth&lt;/h2&gt;With this phrase we leave the modern world and its cosmology of deep space and enter an ancient understanding of the world.  The heavens are a place of perfection and the earth a place of imperfection.  The world is composed of earth, air, fire and water. Life itself is the breath and the blood.  But we are getting ahead of the text.&lt;br /&gt;The second verse reads: &lt;i style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt;Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Notice that the heavens are dark for light does not yet exist.  The world is all the waters, &lt;i&gt;the deep&lt;/i&gt;, for the dry land will only come later.  Even the sky does not yet exist.  We are in an ancient cosmology, one familiar to the author but not to us.  We are not in the cosmology of the present day.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7334395432472994790?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7334395432472994790/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7334395432472994790' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7334395432472994790'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7334395432472994790'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-beginning.html' title='In the beginning ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SKGiBRMSREI/AAAAAAAAAOA/aSvT4QNvkc4/s72-c/heavenAndEarth.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1938758262985056544</id><published>2008-08-10T19:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-10T19:42:34.244-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Knowing When You're Done</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-kbXn4nnI/AAAAAAAAANo/XNR52XN8hm0/s1600-h/Oxford_AerialS.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-kbXn4nnI/AAAAAAAAANo/XNR52XN8hm0/s400/Oxford_AerialS.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233082082132532850" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As one lecturer I heard from Oxford said once:"The Oxford way is to begin at the beginning and go straight through to the end and then stop."  That, of course, begs the question if you can't tell when you've reached the end.&lt;br /&gt;The general rule when reading scripture is to accept the plain meaning if there is one and allow for a deeper meaning, possibly symbolic or figurative or metaphorical in addition to the plain meaning.  If the plain meaning seems to make no sense (something we have to discern) then the meaning must lie in the other dimensions.&lt;br /&gt;A second rule is that scripture, if it has God's authorship, is all of a piece.  The pieces can't contradict each other without making God the author of error.  Apparent contradictions therefore much imply that we don't understand what is being said.&lt;br /&gt;Of course there is the other construction in the face of contradiction, that this is evidence that the material is not divinely revealed or that it contains errors.  Now on the face of it, going back to what I said when setting out on this journey, we are all reading translations.  So a contradiction may only be an error in translation.  It may be simply an error in our understanding.&lt;br /&gt;But the question before us is: How do we know when we are done?&lt;br /&gt;The short answer and one that will satisfy for now is: We are done when we have achieved a stated understanding which is consistent with all the passages that we have considered.  However, we are undone, i.e. we have to go back and review, if we find that subsequent passages contradict our prior understanding or expand it.  Each advance in understanding broadens the reach of the light, but may also cast shadows back behind us which adumbrate what we thought earlier was understood.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1938758262985056544?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1938758262985056544/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1938758262985056544' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1938758262985056544'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1938758262985056544'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/knowing-when-youre-done.html' title='Knowing When You&apos;re Done'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-kbXn4nnI/AAAAAAAAANo/XNR52XN8hm0/s72-c/Oxford_AerialS.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-403185416710555526</id><published>2008-08-10T08:15:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-10T09:34:57.870-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Indwelling of Reason</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ8G6a3bo7I/AAAAAAAAANA/jHlyUODeDzU/s1600-h/thomas_aquinas.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 147px; height: 192px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ8G6a3bo7I/AAAAAAAAANA/jHlyUODeDzU/s320/thomas_aquinas.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232908892741804978" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Thomas Aquinas ( c. 1225 to March 7, 1274),  following Aristotle, would define man as a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;reasoning animal&lt;/span&gt;.  The capacity to reason is a defining characteristic of man.  It is only through our reason that we are able to distinguish truth from error.&lt;br /&gt;We saw yesterday that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;light &lt;/span&gt;dwells within us as the life of man, the Divine Word.  One aspect of this is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;reason&lt;/span&gt; and through reason we hope to attain &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;wisdom&lt;/span&gt; which is the knowledge conveyed by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;light&lt;/span&gt; received from the spirit we receive from God.&lt;br /&gt;Aquinas points out &lt;a href="http://www2.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/gc1_1.htm"&gt;"The prime author and mover of the universe is intelligence ..."&lt;/a&gt; He goes on to say &lt;a href="http://www2.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/gc1_2.htm"&gt;"Blessed is the man that shall dwell in wisdom (Ecclus xiv, 22). The more sublime, because thereby man comes closest to the likeness of God, who hath made all things in wisdom (Ps. ciii, 24)."&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short than, human reason is a primary path to the clarity we require.  In fact, human reason stands at a higher level than scripture in the sense that without reason we would be unable to judge what is scripture and what is not.  The canon of scripture was set informally at first by those books and writings read in the assembly.  As writings mulitiplied it became important to separate those that were authoritative from those that were not.  This process continued through the 4th and early 5th centuries.  We'll consider the canon closed by roughly the first decade of the 5th century, between 405 A.D. and the council of Carthage in 419 A.D. &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm"&gt; See this interesting discussion. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The canon was set through the action of reason on the documents received.  Reason alone, taken in its modern sense as the operation of logical thought, was not enough.  More properly &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;reason&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; is the whole aspect of human discernment which allows us to distinguish the truth from falsehood.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have addressed to some degree the aspect of &lt;i&gt;light&lt;/i&gt; but not yet the question of when we have illuminated matters enough.  We'll work on that a little next.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-403185416710555526?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/403185416710555526/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=403185416710555526' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/403185416710555526'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/403185416710555526'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/indwelling-of-reason.html' title='The Indwelling of Reason'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ8G6a3bo7I/AAAAAAAAANA/jHlyUODeDzU/s72-c/thomas_aquinas.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-7227549087690985095</id><published>2008-08-09T18:56:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-09T19:27:29.889-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Let there be light ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Lightning-Posters_i356326_.htm"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 217px; height: 270px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ5K8EuUBZI/AAAAAAAAAMw/xrQropr0jxc/s320/Lightning.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232702212971693458" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It seems significant to me that in both Genesis 1 and John 1 we find &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Light&lt;/span&gt; mentioned early.  Genesis has God create first the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;heavens and the earth&lt;/span&gt; but the earth is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;formless&lt;/span&gt;.  Then God through the action of his Word says: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Let there be light!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we turn now to John's gospel we see that there is more to be understood.  The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Word&lt;/span&gt; is with God from the beginning because He was God and made all that was made.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John goes on to say that the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Word&lt;/span&gt; was life and this life was the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;light of man&lt;/span&gt;.  This is very figurative and poetic language in both Genesis 1 and John 1.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first chapter of Genesis goes on to say after detailing the creation that God &lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ5P9p8hMkI/AAAAAAAAAM4/_pPNd5SPZng/s1600-h/250px-Hands_of_God_and_Adam.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 202px; height: 132px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ5P9p8hMkI/AAAAAAAAAM4/_pPNd5SPZng/s320/250px-Hands_of_God_and_Adam.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232707737701397058" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;in His climactic act of creation makes man in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the image of God&lt;/span&gt;.  The life, the Word, is the light of man.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-7227549087690985095?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/7227549087690985095/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=7227549087690985095' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7227549087690985095'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/7227549087690985095'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/let-there-be-light.html' title='Let there be light ...'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ5K8EuUBZI/AAAAAAAAAMw/xrQropr0jxc/s72-c/Lightning.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-3461635476246434341</id><published>2008-08-09T09:23:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-09T10:04:06.597-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Light and Looking</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ3I9Ps3gWI/AAAAAAAAAMo/RJlIl9L01IA/s1600-h/streetlightS.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ3I9Ps3gWI/AAAAAAAAAMo/RJlIl9L01IA/s320/streetlightS.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232559296586678626" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like the story of the slightly drunken guy looking for his car keys under a streetlight.  A passer-by asks him what he's doing and he says he's looking for his car keys.  "Why are you looking under the street light" asked the passer-by.  "Because that's where the light is," answers the inebriated man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem of clarity is not solved by looking where the light is because the surrounding area is dark.  So the problem is to strive to increase the light to the greatest degree.  That often means looking at ways of thinking about things you have not considered before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you approach scripture by a single route, with a single point of view, you are searching under a streetlight.  There may be other lights that should be considered, that reveal more or at least different.  So the first rule is not to create shadows.  Don't assume that your streetlight is the only one worth looking under.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well after I wrote this I ran into the following juicy example of what I'm talking about.  It's titled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the tyranny of scripture&lt;/span&gt; and is an example of someone who thinks he has all the light.  It's sort of a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;in-your-face&lt;/span&gt; counterexample since it is by a fellow who thinks scripture is just fantasy and bigotry.  I think he's using a pencil beam and not even the whole streetlight.  If you have seven minutes &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BaGHKe5oi0"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Click Here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and don't blame me if you're offended.  I warned you ahead of time.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-3461635476246434341?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/3461635476246434341/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=3461635476246434341' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3461635476246434341'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/3461635476246434341'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/light-and-looking.html' title='Light and Looking'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ3I9Ps3gWI/AAAAAAAAAMo/RJlIl9L01IA/s72-c/streetlightS.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-8912080436603588081</id><published>2008-08-08T08:09:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-08T12:10:00.597-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Discourse on Method</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJxkv5M7W9I/AAAAAAAAALY/qVqA7c4g5P0/s1600-h/MoonLightCropped.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJxkv5M7W9I/AAAAAAAAALY/qVqA7c4g5P0/s400/MoonLightCropped.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232167641069345746" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;With apologies to Descartes for stealing his title, I think I'll briefly address method before getting underway.  The term method doesn't mean much in the absence of a goal statement.  "A method to accomplish what exactly?" is the obvious question.  For Descartes it was to reach certitude.  I'm a good deal more humble than that since I harbor existential doubts about pretty much everything.   A human being saying they are "certain" of something is really another way of saying that they don't have to think about it anymore.  The subject is decided.  Not only that, but everyone else is wrong.  Since that seems to me at least to claim far more than human beings have a right to claim, I don't think certitude can be my goal.  So what is?&lt;br /&gt;I think the goal should be &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Illumination&lt;/span&gt; which is the state of seeing something in the clearest light possible.  Achieving clarity of vision is important.  We can envision that as the light cast upon a cluttered room.  You can't clean up what you can't see.&lt;br /&gt;So the question of method when the goal is clarity comes down to the answers to some questions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;How do I cast light on the subject?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How do I know when I've reached as clear a view as possible?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-8912080436603588081?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/8912080436603588081/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=8912080436603588081' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/8912080436603588081'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/8912080436603588081'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/discourse-on-method.html' title='A Discourse on Method'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJxkv5M7W9I/AAAAAAAAALY/qVqA7c4g5P0/s72-c/MoonLightCropped.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6983522362859584344.post-1991411066643064487</id><published>2008-08-07T11:37:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-07T11:49:50.574-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Ancient Languages</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJtCkFY4_qI/AAAAAAAAAKk/V0O41nQ70ks/s1600-h/revelationsBit.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJtCkFY4_qI/AAAAAAAAAKk/V0O41nQ70ks/s400/revelationsBit.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5231848579810262690" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;When we read the bible it is almost always in translation from the ancient languages, Hebrew,  Greek,  Aramaic, and if we are reading from the surrounding apocryphal literature it may be Coptic or many other languages from the distant past.&lt;br /&gt;Yet the bible conveys insights and wisdom to people today.  This blog is going to focus, occasionally on my own personal journey through the bible.  It will be eclectic since I'll only visit the bible episodically in a sporadic and unorganized manner.  When we read we are doing something quite magical.  We are turning obscure markings into sensible thoughts.  We rarely reflect enough on the sheer miracle of language.  Writing which makes language permanent long before our more recent recording technologies is no less miraculous for being ancient.  Count your blessings for they are many.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6983522362859584344-1991411066643064487?l=biblesurfing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/feeds/1991411066643064487/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6983522362859584344&amp;postID=1991411066643064487' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1991411066643064487'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6983522362859584344/posts/default/1991411066643064487'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://biblesurfing.blogspot.com/2008/08/ancient-languages.html' title='Ancient Languages'/><author><name>Ray Schneider</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00736292194954847543</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='30' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJ-WLeBK1ZI/AAAAAAAAANg/KtesW3hHbEc/s1600-R/RayAtCV10S.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XsSofvFxr4Y/SJtCkFY4_qI/AAAAAAAAAKk/V0O41nQ70ks/s72-c/revelationsBit.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
